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CATHERINE FISHER, INTERVIEW
Catherine Fisher is looking a little pale after spending
an hour or so being photographed with the London Dungeon’s
most grisly instruments of torture. You would not guess,
unless you happened to have read her latest novel, Incarceron,
that she herself has imagined much, much worse.
The ultimate prison, Incarceron not only imprisons
its captives forever, but devours and recycles them.
So vast that it contains not just cells and corridors
but forests, cities and seas, it has been devised centuries
ago as a place without hope – though a legend
persists that one man managed to escape. Finn is a
boy without memory, surviving Incarceron with thieves
which trick and murder other Prisoners. Outside, beautiful
Claudia is equally imprisoned in a society where everything
is frozen in an idyllic version of the 17th century.
Doomed to an arranged marriage, she and Finn each discover
a mysterious crystal key. The two Prisoners – one
on the Inside, one on the Outside – can use the
keys to communicate, but can they escape?
A gripping and startling fantasy with undertones of
current political problems, Incarceron marks a particularly
fruitful development for an author who was short-listed
for the Whitbread Children’s Prize in 2003. Fisher,
a prize-winning poet born in 1957, has been writing
fantasy since 1990, and ever since her Snow-Walker’s
Son trilogy (1994-96) has been one to watch both for
her remarkable imagination and a pared-down prose style
reminiscent of both Ursula le Guin and Alan Garner.
“Oh, of course Alan Garner is a huge influence,” she
agrees. “I love him because his writing is so
intense, he packs in so much, and then there’s
the way he uses landscape…”
Her own writing, too, is steeped in the landscape
of her native Wales. The daughter of a book-loving
painter and decorator, she read English at the University
of Wales Caerleon branch (King Arthur’s seat),
taught there, took part in a year-long archaeological
dig in the town’s Roman ruins and still lives
in the Wye Valley. Her strong visual sense amplifies
her imagination (she has just done her first picture
book, The Weather Dress with her sister Maggie Davies,
a portrait painter,) and a particularly beautiful website.
Incarceron itself germinated out of an exhibition at
Cardiff of Piranesi’s imaginary prisons, “those
vast shadowy chasms and viaducts, with tiny people,
which I’m sure also influenced Mervyn Peake’s
Gormenghast.” Fisher’s sentient prison
is an elaboration on many philosophical ideas concerning
imprisonment, with a twist at the end that will lead
to a sequel, Sapphique, next year.
A small, slight, very private woman with long, wavy
hair she looks very much the seeress, and writes her
novels to “find things out”, rather than
planning the plot. Always one step ahead of readers’ expectations,
she creates unforgettable characters such as the albino
wizard Kari, the Snow-Walker’s Son, and the boy-god
Alexos: children whose devastating gift of magic is
matched by extreme vulnerability, needing support from
a cast of fierce heroines, shrewd bards and semi-corrupt
officials. As off-beat and demanding as Garner, or
Robin Hobb, she is far from the sword-and-sorcery of
cliché. Her dry sense of humour, reflected in
her books, makes her engaging but there is a kind of
remoteness to her, very much like Kari’s.
It has taken Fisher a surprisingly long time to break
through to a more general readership. Her Oracle trilogy
was optioned for film only after the Whitbread, an
event which also caused her to be published at last
in the US. She is plugged into the
world of Welsh poetry but not that of children’s
fiction, which she reads and enjoys (and in the case
of authors such as NM Browne and Susan Price, clearly
influences). Her imagination gets recharged by the
Icelandic sagas and Welsh Triads; she loves “the
fragments of story, the lists for bards to remember
with the detail stripped out that you can do anything
you like with.”
The Welsh bardic tradition, going back to Taliesin,
is one she takes pride in, and sometimes, as in Corbenic
(about a bitter modern boy deserting his mentally ill
mother) she reworks Arthurian legend. To me, her most
interesting work is, like the four-volume Book of the
Crow and Incarceron, closer to SF, imagining a place
where science and magic overlap. As le Guin advised
in a famous essay on fantasy fiction, she thinks about
the practical consequences of having two moons, or
bad weather. You are made to feel the bitter cold through
which Kari and his friends travel in The Snow Walker’s
Son, and the parched deserts of The Oracle.
“All my places are real places,” she says. “There
has to be a specific landscape, even if it’s
called Narnia, for fantasy to have It – whatever
It is.”
Like Tolkien and Robin Hobb, Fisher is a practising
Catholic. She is wary of going into this too deeply,
but says that “the sacramental idea that everything
is charged” is as important to her as her feeling
of “rootedness” in the Welsh landscape.
Mireny, the sceptical young priestess in the Oracle
who discovers that the God she serves really exists
is a part of her rich ambiguity. Fisher explores both
the limits and the beauties of solitude; in an unguarded
moment, she describes how she was electrified to encounter
Beowulf as a schoolgirl and “the absolutely basic
thing of encountering a monster you have to fight with
your bare hands and no weapons,” adding, “really,
the threat is internal, not external. What fantasy
is doing is taking everyone’s fears and making
them bigger.”
Although Incarceron is the ultimate prison, Finn is
one of a long line of Fisher heroes or heroines who
must work through a spell of imprisonment before finding
liberation through truth. For all her evident sensitivity,
her nerves are much stronger than my own teenaged daughter’s,
in fact, because when we go into the London Dungeon
after the interview, we last precisely three minutes
before running, terrified, for the exit. But then,
if you’d read Incarceron beforehand, you might
do the same.
Ends
Catherine Fisher’s Incarceron is published by
Hodder Children’s Books £5.99, on May 1st.
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